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Citation1 If a research company conducted a scientific survey of Americans' opinions of the worst cars ever sold in this country, I would bet the top results would be made up of some combination of the usual suspects--the Yugo; the AMC Pacer and Gremlin; the Chevrolet Vega and Chevette; and the Ford Pinto. Those six stinkers are justly famous for their automotive ineptitude and would likely dominate the list. But I would guess that, trailing just behind those all-stars, the Chevrolet Citation and its General Motors X-car brethren would slot in a solid seventh on the definitive list of automotive awfulness.

My head tells me that this popular disapprobation is well-justified. The X-cars were deficient in many of the criteria that cars are judged upon--namely, they drove poorly, they weren't well-built, and the design was fundamentally flawed. Add to that list of negatives the huge investment GM made in the X-car, the public's sky-high expectations for the car, and, paradoxically, the X-car's strong sales early in its life.

The net result was that GM paid billions of late-1970s dollars to give an entire generation of American car buyers an incredibly convincing first-hand lesson that American cars weren't worth buying. If, as I've argued, General Motors spent three solid decades trying to dissuade customers from buying its family sedans, the X-car can be seen as the most effective effort in that campaign. By any logical set of criteria, the X-car deserves its inclusion in Epic Fail Week. In fact, it should arguably be the headline act in this tuneless concert of shameful failure.

Regular readers of Car Lust can feel free to begin rolling their eyes here, because what's coming next is as predictable as chilly weather in Antarctica. You see, while my head is convinced, my heart thinks the Citation and its much-maligned siblings are interesting, pretty little cars that don't deserve the level of abuse they have endured. The court of popular opinion has already tried and convicted the Citation, but I'd like to reopen the case and defend the poor, cringing X-car.

So, here are the three primary planks of my pro-X-car platform, using the Citation as a proxy for all X cars:

Citation8 1. The Citation Was Truly Revolutionary

Snicker if you like at this statement, but the automotive landscape was very different 30 years ago. In the late 1970s, the American automotive industry was embroiled in its second major gas shortage, rocked by strict new safety and pollution legislation, and besieged by more advanced import competition.

Volkswagen had just released its revolutionary new Rabbit, which brought to the masses the space- and gas-efficiency advantages of transverse-mounted engines and front-wheel-drive. The Rabbit was right for the times and was an instant hit. Not surprisingly, other imports quickly followed suit. Even today, more than 30 years later, the vast majority of passenger cars on the road in the United States use the Rabbit's once-revolutionary configuration of a transverse-mounted engine and front-wheel drive.

 Meanwhile, despite the growing clamor for efficient small cars, the American carmakers continued to build the huge rear-wheel-drive cars they knew how to build and sell. Their response to the import invasion of the small-car market for much of the decade was to rely on small rear-wheel-drive cars like the Pinto, Vega, Gremlin, and Chevette.

Citation4Surprisingly, considering its reputation for conservative design, GM took on a leadership role in this period in designing more rational, more efficient, and simply better American cars. In 1977, Chevrolet debuted the all-new Impala/Caprice, which looks huge to contemporary eyes but was a vast improvement over its predecessor in minimizing weight and size while maximizing interior space, fuel economy, and performance. The very next year, the new Chevrolet Malibu hit the market; it offered similar advantages over its bloated predecessor. These were two large steps forward, and their success can be judged not only by the number of cars sold, but by the number that remain on the road today. In the early 1980s, GM would also introduce new, more capable versions of the Corvette and Camaro/Firebird, and an efficient two-seat commuter sports car.

Citation3The new X-car was the most important, the most audacious element of this major product refresh--not just on its own merits, but as the basis for the later, more compact J car (which would become, among other things, the Chevy Cavalier and this week's original Epic Fail, the Cadillac Cimarron). As America's first mass-produced, front-wheel-drive family car in the Rabbit mold, the X-car was breaking brand new ground. The powertrain configuration wasn't the X-car's only forward-thinking element--the Citation and Phoenix were both also available as five-door hatchbacks (!) that offered mammoth load-carrying capability.

Consider this for a moment. Chevrolet claimed the five-door Citation's exterior dimensions were no larger than the small Monza sports coupe, which is impressive enough. But it's even more impressive when you consider that within that relatively petite package, the Citation offered as much passenger space as the larger Malibu and as much trunk space as the full-size Impala/Caprice. That's with the rear seats up; fold them down, and the Citation transformed into a proto-minivan. Now consider the Citation's domestic competition at launch--the antediluvian Chrysler Aspen/Dodge Volare and Ford Fairmont. The Citation was pretty momentous car at launch.

Citation9 The Citation was so revolutionary that Car and Driver devoted a cover and 16 full pages of editorial coverage to the Citation and its brethren, including a technical breakdown, a first drive report, a styling analysis, and even a spotter's guide. That page count expands to 21 when you include the cover and a Corvair commemorative piece that looked back at the Corvair through the lens of the Citation's debut. GM contributed 16 pages of X-car advertising--one page for the Oldsmobile Omega, one page for the Buick Skylark, six pages plus a foldout for the Pontiac Phoenix, and a full eight pages for the Citation. All told, an astonishing 37 of the May 1979 issue's 198 pages were related to the Citation or its siblings.

With the benefit of hindsight, much of C&D's breathless prose reads as dark irony--a fact that has probably caused the editors of that august publication some face-palm moments in the ensuing years. Still, it's instructive to read what they thought of the car at the time.

The cover screamed, "REVOLUTION! GM blows everybody into the weeds with the new front-drive compacts!" After driving a Pontiac Phoenix for a few days in real-life conditions, Rich Ceppos said:

"For once, the hardware is as good as the hype ... if you've noticed an absence of cricism, then you're getting an idea of just how good these cars turned out ... this leads me to conclude that the GM X-cars really don't have any hidden vices ... the fruits of (GM's) considerable labor are sweet indeed ... GM has redefined the popularly priced small car, and nothing will ever be quite the same again."

History has proven that hilariously wrong, of course, but my point is that when it debuted, the Citation was a revolutionary, groundbreaking car.

Citation22. The Citation Was a Good-Looking Car
 If you read the content above while maintaining a straight face, congratulations! I'm about to put your composure to the test by arguing that the Citation was actually a really nice-looking car. Seriously, I look at the Citation and I lust a little bit. Please, please hold off on pelting me with rotting produce until I have a chance to explain myself.

I love hatchbacks. I love three-door hatchbacks, I love five-door hatchbacks, and I suspect I'd love a 13-door hatchback if somebody made one. I love the way hatchbacks swallow cargo, but what I really love about hatchbacks is the slick, smooth, fastback roofline.

I also love the square-jawed, honest, late-1970s/early 1980s Chevrolet look. I love that look on the Impala, I love it on the Malibu, and I love it on the Citation. I can even deal with it on the Cavalier and the Celebrity. There's just something fundamentally right about those lines in a way that Chevrolet has never really been able to capture since.

So, in combining that Chevrolet look with three- and five-door hatchback bodystyles, GM created the perfect storm for my car lust. I think the Citation is a very handsome car, especially in hot-rod X-11 trim. Judge me if you must, but all I know is that there's a perfect bronze Phoenix five-door that is semi-permanently parked on the other side of our neighborhood. I drive blocks out of my way to see it.

Citation63. The Citation X-11 Was Pretty Fast

 If you're still with me, congratulations again--I'm about to strain your credulity once again. The Citation was respectably quick for its time, and the X11 variant was pretty speedy. Not a ZL1 Corvette or an IROC-Z Camaro, perhaps, but in this dark time the X11 counted as a ray of performance hope.

Even in X-11 trim, with a heavy-duty suspension, the Citation wasn't exactly an agile mountain-road carver in the Lotus Elan sense. But compared to family sedans of the time, the X-11 had quite a bit of grip, sticking at .78 G on the skidpad at a time when only real sports cars approached or exceeded the .80 mark. The suspension didn't handle bumps well at all, torque-steer clouded the steering feedback, and the brakes weren't fantastic, but on smooth pavement the car had lots of grip. About the handling, C&D said, "This thing slingshots around corners like a bat on instruments." I'm not really sure what that means--an agile baseball bat? a mechanical flying rodent with modern avionics?--but it certainly sounds impressive.

The X-11 was at its best in a straight line. I've waxed euphoric a few times about the low-tech but eager GM 2.8-liter V-6 that provided a pleasing combination of torque and muscle-car burble. That 2.8 packed a torquey punch and a pleasing burble in the the late-1980s and early-1990s mini-muscle car Z24, and it transformed my Dad's company-supplied Cutlass Ciera from a sow's ear to a silk purse. That happy little engine made its debut in the Citation, and the high-output, 135-horsepower version appeared in the 1981 X-11. Married to a four-speed manual and armed with a high 6,500-rpm redline, the little V-6 pushed the Citation from 0-60 in the low 9-second range and made the car sound and feel much faster than that.

Citation7Perhaps that doesn't sound fast, and today it's not. But in those dark days, the Citation X-11 could run with an Audi 5000 Turbo and was only about a second behind a BMW 528i. C&D compared a Buick Skylark X-car, with the lower-output 2.8, against an Audi 4000, Saab 900, and a Honda Accord. The Skylark smoked the other three cars in a straight line, though C&D rated it as the least-fun car of the four.

Perhaps the best part of the hot-rod X-11 package was the breathless advertising. One ad featured the screaming headline "It works" with the subhead "It gives you goose bumps." Perhaps not, but the prototypical 1980s hypey incomplete sentences in the ad copy gave me hives. Some of the choicest bits follow--the emphasis is mine:

"Perhaps you're here because of X-11's heart-stirring looks. The aluminum alloy wheels, the hood scoop, sport mirrors, X-11 stiriping. ... Whatever the reason, you're in now. And now you're off.

"X-11 streaks you across the overpass. Its high output V6 working its innards to the max (!). Readily taming this piece of pavement. ... The conquest over, Citation rests. Yet is ready at a moment's notice to perform again. And you. You contemplate the excitement it takes to give you goose bumps. Because now they just won't quit."

Between working its innards to the max and readily taming the overpass, I'm not sure I'm cut out for the high-stress Citation lifestyle. After watching my Citation resting after its conquest and contemplating my stubborn goose bumps, though, I would appreciate a few sentences that included subjects as well as predicates.

Citation5So what went wrong?

Okay, so the Citation was revolutionary, it was (arguably) attractive, and it was (even more arguably) a decent performer. So why is the Citation remembered as one of the worst cars of all time? Well, like so many interesting but flawed GM cars before and later, the Citation was crippled with engineering that wasn't fully baked before the car was released. For example:

  • As one might expect with an early front-wheel-drive car, torque steer was a major problem with the Citation, especially when equipped with the V-6. Wikipedia alleges that C&D's early feedback was so positive because its test examples had been customized to mask the production cars' torque steer. I have no idea if that's true, but it explains the press' enthusiastic early response.
  • The X-cars had a well-documented tendency to lock their rear wheels under braking, resulting in instability and spins. C&D picked up this problem, and it turned out to be a major issue for road driving safety as well as a handling quirk on the test track. The issue even prompted an (ultimately unsuccessful) lawsuit from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
  • Build quality was uneven at best; even press cars displayed alarmingly poor fit-and-finish. One C&D test Skylark was badged as both a Sport Coupe and Sport Sedan. That same car, in what appears to be the magazine's very first long-term test, racked up clutch, electrical, alignment, fuse, and internal finish problems in only 24,000 miles. Remarking on the locking rear brakes, Ceppos said, "Just as the engineers predicted, the rear brakes have bedded themselves; they no longer wrench the car sideways into an atomic death-skid during all-out stops. The right rear wheel is still an early locker, however." That's true damnation with faint praise.
  • The Citation and the other X-cars were recalled many, many times in its short six-year run--not exactly the kind of press an automaker needs for its brand new, revolutionary automobile.

Citation10 More than anything, the Citation and the other X-cars represented a tragedy. Had the cars lived up to their billing, had the engineering been fully baked, had the cars displayed both the initial build quality and lasting reliability of the Japanese competition, the world might be very different today.

If that sounds like hyperbole, consider the effect of selling flawed cars to nearly a million customers in the first year of production alone. Add in the fact that GM spent $1.7 billion (nearly $5 billion in today's dollars) on the X-cars for tooling alone. Then consider the psychological factor. GM swung for the fences with its innovative small cars, but it hit into a highly publicized double play. Was that hugely expensive ambitious failure a cause of the tepid small-car engineering we've seen from American automakers in the decades since?

Perhaps not. But imagine, just for a moment, that the X-cars had been a sustained sales, quality, and customer satisfaction success rather than retired in ignominy and dwindling sales. Might we have a stronger, more innovative, more risk-taking domestic auto industry? Again, probably not, but it's interesting to think about.

The vast majority of the photos come from How Stuff Works' Citation page. I scanned in my own copy of the C&D cover, and the final picture of the white five-door Citation comes from Flickr user Dave_7.

--Chris H.

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I got a new 1981 Citation as a company car. The first time I took it to the car wash, I unknowingly blasted all the chrome-like paint from the plastic grill. I lived in the car for two years under the lease we signed. The car lasted one of those two years.

In that one year...
All the engine mounts broke, sending the engine pounding into water pump, breaking it.
The driver door sprung so that I could stick my index finger outside through the gap.
All the dash knobs lost the little silver circles indentifying what the knob operated.
I traveled in Colorado, so with every incline up a mountain, the engine knocked and pinged so loudly I thought it would explode.
The engine would shut down after a hour of driving. After restarting it, the engine ran rough. After several visits to the Chevy dealer, they discovered that the distributor cap was cracked. When the engine became hot, the crack widened, allowing oxygen into the mix and killing the engine. While my car was being fixed, I ended up with the company's manual 2 door hatch - with a floor mounted parking brake! So stupid!

The good points were that the car was spacious. It had a huge cupholder, (my first). It easily plowed through snow. No one wanted to steal it, making it a safe car not to worry about. It got great gas mileage - when it was running.

I agree with your comments on styling. The car looked clean, simple and purposeful. I had the ugly four door, though, and no longer had any chrome across it's neat horizontal grille.

When the Cavalier premiered, most of the company's fleet was immediately dumped the Citations for Pontiac J2000s. I ended up with a Ford Escort, which I absolutely loved and never, ever, considered another GM car again.

Chris,
I agree wholeheartedly with you...another example of GM ruining a great idea due to lack of proper development..think Fiero, Corvair and even Saturn

I'm in the process of restoring my 1981 Citation right now, it was the car I drove while I was in high school. It really got the chicks and that 38.5 cu. ft. of cargo space in the back when the seat was folded down was great for more than just hauling groceries! ;)

I tell you what--I worked for a pizza delivery place in college that had a FLEET of Citations... We each drove one of these goofy little beasts through Fargo/Moorhead winters, regardless of snowfall or temperature. We left them running through the shift, from 5 to 11, and sometimes until close, depending on how cold it was. Duane had removed the passenger seats from each of them and replaced them with a plywood box with a mesh bottom. Each one had it's own heater that blew at full blast... Not so bad in the winter, but in the summer, each little car was a sweatbox. Thank you for remembering these creatures kindly...

An excellent piece. I agree with your points: I remember when the Xs came out and it looked like the future had arrived. Of course, that idea only lasted a few years and Ford brought out its Sierra, which really looked like the future had arrived. But in those intervening years, the Citation and Phœnix (and less so the more conservative Skylark and Omega) looked like solid, modern and even attractive American cars that were miles ahead of their predecessors.

1981 Citation X-11, 2.8 HOV6, and bang-shift automatic. Sure, it ran out of breath about 5500 but when that auto would shift the wheels would chirp in both second and third. Went through two transmissions/chains (yeah, the tranny worked the front wheels through a CHAIN), but it was a fun car. Swapping ends was prevalent on wet/snowy/icy roads, but take the two door hatch, fold down the rear seats, toss in a blanket - a ride a teenager can get lucky in.
Damn I miss that car.

I love the Citation because every time I see a functional one, I know that miracles are possible in this world.

I still drive an '84 Citation occassionally. It pales in comparison to today's imports, but it is actually a pretty solid car in comparison to other compact cars of the day. My Mom bought it new. When she gave it on to my daughter in 2001, it had only 42,000 miles and was rust free! My daughter drove it until this fall. She put it through a couple of crashes that would have totalled less robust vehicles. Now it is sitting in my driveway. The front end is loose and it stalls until it warms up, but it's still driveable.

Actually my 84 2 door was Zeibarted and it did not rust away in Pa after it sat for almost ten years before I drove it for another six. They did the job right on that one....
The 85 x-11 had roof rust from salt water rain in FL, but the rest of the car is beautify. Even the new PA x-11 replacement car has some rust on the floor, but overall not too bad consider it don't have any rust proofing.

the transmission tunnel and the floor are almost the same thing, since the transmission sat a bit forward in the automatics. Helped someone replace my one tranny. I'll bet no one washed the underside of that Salt from the rust belt, so the salt was part of the rust issue.

These lists are hilarious. I really enjoyed driving the Phoenix and the X-11. They drove great, but the X-11 solved the *serious* understeer problem of the standard model. That Phoenix front end would slide so predictably under power, it was great fun for a teenager. Ours didn't lock the rear brakes in any strange way. The big problem was the unbaffled oil pan starving the crank of oil if you drove with enthusiasm. I don't think the X11 had the same problem? Our Phoenix engine expired with less than 20,000 miles, but my uncle's X11 handled his abuse for years. They were still better cars than the Nova torture chamber they replaced! That was the most uncomfortable car I have ever owned. I happened to enjoy driving a '71 Pinto with the 1600. It handled great, and we ran the bag off of it. Even the lowly Chevette was a decent little car, and the six cylinder in the Gremlin has to be the toughest engine ever built in North America.
If you want to talk about a piece of crap, how about the Fairmont and Mustang "Fox platform" cars? With the inline six and automatic it was so light in the rear that you could spin the tires in second gear at speed on a dry road.
I nominate my Toyota Camry as the worst piece of crap ever built. Everything had to be replaced, at Toyota prices. I was very happy when it died terminally and I had to get rid of it. Never before had I driven a car that could fade the brakes completely away on a flat road.
Why isn't the Fiero on that list? That thing was a death trap. In the snow, even three sandbags in the front weren't enough weight to give the front wheels the traction to turn the car. You had to totally commit yourself, give it a bootful of gas to swing the back end out, and try to catch up with the understeering front wheels. Either learn to be a rally driver or crash it...not to mention the way the rear wheels steered themselves when the rubber bushings holding the inner end of the Citation tie rods started to deteriorate. Thank goodness the engine was completely shot at 90,000 miles.

I have a 1984 citation xs two door high ouput v6 borred 40 over hoodscoop loovers on hatchback air shocks centerforce clutch hedders come out behind doors welded transmission for possey Ive had this car sence 1986 and did some work on it and still drive it to day saying this cars were bad who had it before you and how was it maintaned that speeks for all cars yes i put lotts of money in it but i still drive it and now you find one its a collectors item worth lots of money couse you didnt like it thanks the more gone and harder it is to find them the more valuable mine gets so use them for demos! Us citation collectors have valuable cars that are antuque thanks again good luck with your new cars ill have mine tell i die

so, i have a 82 citation and i'm looking to sell it. does anyone have any clue on how much i should ask for it..?

For the person sellin the 82 citation if its not a x11 xs its not got high output motor its worth less to me even tho people on inter net is lookin for those car part mainly the x11 xs hoods with spoilers and loovers im lookin for xs two door stick 4 speed car dont have to drive or run but i live close to des moines and dont wanna go two far for one found one in main for 500 but two far to drive for it like to post a pic of mine but not sure how two on this site

I have a 1983 Chevy Citation that is in mint condition. 107,000 original miles and the interior is amazing. There is hardly any rust. Does anyone know how much this might be worth? I realize that is only worth what someone else is willing to pay but, I believe it could be a collector car for someone that shows car etc. Just needed info.

Hi I just wanted to know what kind of Mecurey two door car was made in the early or middle looks just like 80s Mustange it looks like the 1985 1984 or 1983 or 1980s something its the only few of its kind that looks like a Mustang

I'm just sitting here mooning over my lost love: my 1983 Chevy Citation XS; tan with brown laser stripe, V6, 4 Speed, tuned dual exhaust..... I miss my Citation. I bought it new in Hawaii in 1983. I didn't realize what I'd had. Every few years, I look around for anything. Often I find almost no descriptions of the XS. Oh well. It was a great car. I have a good, high resolution photo I took of my wife and I posing next to it in Honolulu in 1983.

i have a 1981 citation 4 speed stick, but the clutch is bad. the reest of the car is cherry and i want to fix it. does anyone know how i could do this?

I owned a 1981 X11 back in 1985. This was a really great "enthusiast" car. It was quick, with reported 0-60 times of MID 8's in 1981. This is much faster than say a "Shelby Charger" or a "GTI" from this era. Fact is, if straight line performance is all we're talking about, the X11 beat the Mustang of 81, and could keep pace with the Z28 of the day. Just a bit of perspective for those who have grown up in the last 20 years.

1981 was a different time. Now for the X11......you really have to do your homework to understand what was under the hood of this car. The 2.8 HO is nothing like the weezer found in the Z24's in years to come. The 2.8 HO used different deck heights, pistons, larger valve heads, and a different cam which allowed this motor to pull strong up into the 6500rpm range. The 4 speed was a solid saginaw unit. The cowl induction hood was originally made to be truely functional, but for some reason they had to do away with the material that connected the hood to the intake at the last minute. 15" alloy rims, with Goodyeear eagle GT's finished off the car. What in the hell else could you by in 1981 that was anything like this? Great performance......and close to 30mpg on the road.

Now.......if you wanted to actually own and drive one of these cars, you best have a sense of humor, a jack, and lots of tools. I spent many a day replacing the motor mounts on my car. The "computerized" carb went bad ($475.00) to replace back in the day. All in all it wasn't a bad effort for the time. These engines are jewels. Nothing at all like the later fuel injected pigs they put in the Z24's and Fiero's.

This is for Jerry E. I just became the owner of the exact car you described last fall. It had been stored for 14 years and the lady who owned it gave it to me for free. It has alot of rust underneath from sitting that long but a new fuel pump, fuel lines and Sea-Foam treatment to the carb and the thing fired up and runs perfect. So much for being such crappy cars huh? If you want to see pics just let me know.

Are there any more 1980 model citation coupes left? I only see hatchbacks around. My brothers first car was 1980 coupe with a very strong v-6. That year model was Motor Trends car of the year! I've been trying to find them on every used car and classic car website, including ebay and craigslist, and can't find not-a-one!

I have a 1980 citation my wife asked me yo buy for her as it was her firest car the car had only 49.000 miles on it but in sate for years @ iv had to replace almost every mechanical thing except the engin trans and powerstering the car gets great mpg and i wouldnt be afrad to drive it any where by the way its curantly for sale for 2.200 obo my number is 612-237-1763

We drove and drove our '85 and could not kill it. It had a gremlin in the cruise control, so we never used it. Paint peeled of the hatch--had it redone. Otherwise, never a problem with a car no one loved.

My nephew bought it for $500 and it served for years until totaled in a T-bone collision. He was broadsided at the door pillar, and he climbed out the passenger side without a scratch.

So we've a soft spot for the car.

Ahh...the citation.
Grew up around these. My parents had a brown notchback, iron duke I think. Didn't have it long. Then a blue and silver X11, which got rallied and made many miles. Its death was due to rust, but made many good memories. Then my brother had a white 5door (just like the last photo) that the shifter came off in his hand.

These took the fwd transverse motor that was gaining traction in the market, and applied a quite sweet V6. The problem is the $$ crunchers must have got to it. Press cars without torque steer show they knew how to deal with it, but they didn't want to pay the likely $20 for the bit that cured it.

GM did this to the corvair and fiero, where the traditional cars were money makers, these newer designs didn't get the needed attention to keep cost/return in the right direction. I hope they've learned.

Ah, memories. I bought a 80 Citation I actually ordered it, four speed, X11 suspension, two door, orange with a tan velour interior, I put on some Enki BBS copy rims with Firestone TA's. I thought it was a great looking car and got lots of compliments on it. It left me stranded twice due to ignition module going south, The best was when my right rear swing off window fell off on the highway and went cart wheeling at 55 mph down the road scaring the crap out of a guy on a motorcycle behind me.
But it was a great traveling car fold down the back seat and fill it up with camping gear, also great for parking with the girl friend.
When I got rid of it in 88 the transmission would jump out of first when starting off, the dash was cracking, body was starting to rot. Sold it to a gay guy who was happy it had a stick.
I replaced it with a 88 S10 PU another road and track car (truck) of the year. Still have that one.

I bought a 1980 citation 2 door hatchback with a 4 speed transmission brand new. It was a great car for Minnesota winter driving as it handled very well. The gas mileage was great 35 mpg and better. It was roomy and great for hauling with the hatchback. We pulled a 6 sleep camper with it to South Dakota and still got 25 mpg or better and it didn't seem to work to hard. I gave it to my daughter with 90,000 miles on it and she took the transmission out so she traded it in for a small ford. I would buy another one in a heart beat,

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